In order that make sense I have constructed this sentence. I need more data in order understand your peeve.romansh wrote:Just an aside, another pet peeve of mine is "in order" usually followed by "to" or "for" is an unneccessary phrase in the vast majority cases.
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OkClemsy wrote:In order that make sense I have constructed this sentence. I need more data in order understand your peeve.romansh wrote:Just an aside, another pet peeve of mine is "in order" usually followed by "to" or "for" is an unneccessary phrase in the vast majority cases.
In order to shorten this sentence I have to ....
I have to write:
To shorten this sentence I have to ...
The "in order" adds nothing to the meaning of the sentence ...
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Romansh,
I just realized that my response HERE does not respond to your post HERE.
I thought you were asking about the quote above rather than the quote below. Interesting example of the consequences of ambiguity. Do you see what grabbed my attention? An indication of my own insecurity, that one right there! I actually thought you were being incredibly picky and thought a bit less of you as a result.
The real answer to your question is:
This one wouldn't. It requires context. But to not appear a side stepper, here's one that may even approach what the author meant:
I just realized that my response HERE does not respond to your post HERE.
I thought you were asking about the quote above rather than the quote below. Interesting example of the consequences of ambiguity. Do you see what grabbed my attention? An indication of my own insecurity, that one right there! I actually thought you were being incredibly picky and thought a bit less of you as a result.
The real answer to your question is:
This one wouldn't. It requires context. But to not appear a side stepper, here's one that may even approach what the author meant:
But then, maybe not.All expression is an illusion.
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OK ... I left that post alone, because I was not sure where you were coming from. I can see that a missing colon of mine could have caused the confusion.Clemsy wrote: The real answer to your question is:
This one wouldn't. It requires context. But to not appear a side stepper, here's one that may even approach what the author meant:
But then, maybe not.All expression is an illusion.
Seriously ... I was trying to mimick the style of another poster. I strung the words together so that, although they had no meaning to me, they might appear coherent to another reader attuned to such language.
So I suppose it just proves your point: we need to write clearly otherwise we won't understand or even worse, we will insert a completely different meaning of our own.
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Clemsy - A quick English/technical question.
A sentence like:
"You are a better man than me." I think is correct?
But is,
"You are a better man than I" also correct because of the implied "am" after "I"?
Just curious.
A sentence like:
"You are a better man than me." I think is correct?
But is,
"You are a better man than I" also correct because of the implied "am" after "I"?
Just curious.
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Thanks Clemsy,Clemsy wrote:It is I! (Which is grammatically wrong!) I is the subject of a verb. The verb, in this case, can be 'understood' and omitted. 'Me' in this case is wrong as me has to be the object of a verb.
"You are a better man than I."
I have to admit I'm struggling to differentiate betweem subject and object
you kicked the ball
subject ----- object
you kicked me
subject ---- object
You are a better man than I
subject --- object ----- ???
The logic does not jump out at me?
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Please don't start a grammar thread. Please.
You----------are a better man ------------than-------------I-------(am).
subject --- verb --------- object ----- conjunction--- subject --- verb
The conjunction connects two independent clauses that can stand alone as complete sentences.
You----------are a better man ------------than-------------I-------(am).
subject --- verb --------- object ----- conjunction--- subject --- verb
The conjunction connects two independent clauses that can stand alone as complete sentences.
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