The good thing Ron ... it's not your fault either.Roncooper wrote:I agree. The interviewer, the pope , and the comedian are blind. It is obvious from the way they behave. Not their fault, though.
The Immaterial
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OK but I am tired of the stalemate. These years of discussions are wearing me down to the point that I am beginning to accept Alan Watts' description that tt is more about plot development and not about progress.
Here goes.
I forgive. In my opinion I am what Jung called the Self, the whole person. So, what is that? That depends on the beliefs of the interested party.
My personal belief is similar to a line in a poem by Kabir. I looked for the poem, but I cannot find it.
He says something like, I am the wedding of the immanent and the transcendent., From this perspective, when I forgive , my forgiveness comes from both.
Of course a Buddhist, who thinks only consciousness is real would say forgiveness is transcendent, and a materialist would say it is immanent.
The dance goes on.
Here goes.
I forgive. In my opinion I am what Jung called the Self, the whole person. So, what is that? That depends on the beliefs of the interested party.
My personal belief is similar to a line in a poem by Kabir. I looked for the poem, but I cannot find it.
He says something like, I am the wedding of the immanent and the transcendent., From this perspective, when I forgive , my forgiveness comes from both.
Of course a Buddhist, who thinks only consciousness is real would say forgiveness is transcendent, and a materialist would say it is immanent.
The dance goes on.
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So both the immanent and the transcendent can require forgiveness at times?
And does the material need forgiveness?
Funnily enough I was speaking to a spiritually inclined lady a few weeks ago and she was saying we need to be able to forgive ourselves and others. I replied to the effect that ultimately there is nothing to forgive.
She paused and then said forgiveness is a stepping stone to this position.
And does the material need forgiveness?
Funnily enough I was speaking to a spiritually inclined lady a few weeks ago and she was saying we need to be able to forgive ourselves and others. I replied to the effect that ultimately there is nothing to forgive.
She paused and then said forgiveness is a stepping stone to this position.
"That's right!" shouted Vroomfondel, "we demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"